with Anthony, ZigZag & Platy
Please post new comments to the new weekend thread. Thanks!
ZZ, looks like 9/25 will be low or lower high, so when will be the next top? thanks!
The next dates I’m finding is around Oct 11-12 and the correlation is the 9th.
Thanks ZZ, I am your long follower too.
BTW, I am steven from SC Blog, many thanks
Good to see you here! 🙂
Thanks Platy and michal. Highly appreciate it.
Erik Hadik’s work is unreliable, he got August wrong and sept is not great either, yes the markets have been tricky but that’s why one would pay for subscription. I’m not renewing my subscription to him
Same can be said for astro. It’s been a tough year for astro finance, even for the greats like Merriman and Crawford. The opposite has usually happened of what astro calls for !
The CIT team are great, ofcourse nothing is 100% but I would happily pay for their service.
A little intro abt myself:).
I am long time follower of ZZ and followed him here:).
I love your work guys.
Welcome and thank you 🙂
Hi Pal, good to have you here and thanks 🙂
Hi ZZ, Anthony, Platy,
What are your views on Eric Hadek. He calls for a MEGA crash(1987 like) in this October. But you guys see a correction only not a crash.
Also what are your views on USD$ during this correction? did it already find a bottom or still more to go down?
No mega crash this year.
Dollar should rise a little more here and then find its bottom about a week from now.
Thanks Anthony and Platy and ZZ, love you guys and love this site!!
Youre welcome Karen glad to have you here.
Keep churning out those Astro dates 🙂
THAT IS WHY HIS/HER TITLE IS UNKNOWN BECAUSE HE/SHE IS UNKNOWN JUST LIKE HE/SHE WORK IS UNKNOWN
Wow, unknown….uncalled for…seems what you have to offer is not really worth anything to anyone here at this point. You have no record of success, and therefore no bragging rights, where as the contributors to this site (Anthony, ZZ and Platy) do, yet they are rather humble in their approach. So don’t come on to a site with such braggadocio without something to back it up.
I think this is the right time to announce a troll alert. Go back to where you came unless you can put a harness on your attitude….
Thanks Karen your post is probably one of my all time favourites ever in the history of the internet. lol
Trolldar is going off the scale. 🙂
LOL Karen we love you, please stick around 🙂
Well said Karen..Thank you 🙂
Anthony, I have the same turn dates coming up as you 24th, 26th, 27th, and then the 1st. The astro’s this coming week are favorable to higher prices in the beginning of the week, and then lower later. The full moon on the 29th is negative. Charts I am looking at suggest that if we are up on Monday, possibly to SPY 137 area, then we could be down into the 25/26th, up into the 27th, then back down and capitulating on the 28th, then turning up on the 1st…
Unknown….is there a chance your charts for 2013 are inverted….I have a target of about 11,000 for the Dow at the end of 2013, and then a low of around 8,000-8,500 around Q3 of 2014..??
Thanks for the info. Until we break that sloping downward channel im still bearish into the next CIT and roadmap turn dates on Monday/Tuesday.
We have no problem with you continuuing to frequent this site if you remain polite and constructive to the CIT team and fellow CIT’ers.
I also have no problem with bold statements should they be backed up by evidence.
I do have issues with statements made from some deep carnal knowledge that is for mere self grandiose self pleasure that adds absolutely no value to other members who are honest and decent people just trying to learn.
I think you underestimate the company you keep.
Thanks for listening.
How do you figure ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,because what I sated challeges you in some way or the group leaders………..I have posted the charts and backed it up with the cycle that it is which is the 1967 for this year and 1968 for next! Pretty simple and if you will note the pciture Zig has shown is 1967…….I at least post the cycle year so the visiters can check it themselves. Non of my statements are bold in any way. I underestimate no company one way or the other………..if I am interested I read if not I skip! Simple! Seems your statement borders on EGO before the fall not mine!
Unknown you are a renowned troller on several sites. Until you can be constructive, ill stick you in a tin can where spam belongs.
Unknown, your chart will likely end up being invalid because you’re only following one time frame. It’s going to switch to a different time frame soon. They only last for a certain amount of time.
astrospeaking please pay attention to october 4 Jupiter Retrogade besides the following planetary aspects T-square: Su-Pl-Ur (av. 3° 36′)
T-square: Ve-Ma-Ne (av. 2° 12′)
T-square: Ve-Mo-Ne (av. 0° 31′)
T-square: Ma-Ve-Mo (av. 2° 12′)
T-square: Ma-Ne-Mo (av. 1° 55′)
Grand cross: Ve-Ma-Ne-Mo (av. 1° 43′) since i trade using candlesticks i would watch for either a darkcloud cover or eveningstar to appear on the weekly spy chart to confirm change in trade………..Thanks a million…….Both candlestick patterns highly reliable ……….in my humble opinion…
Thanks gannman! I’ve got it on my radar, but as usual my reasons are a little different (aside from Jupiter Rx). http://planetforecaster.blogspot.com/2012/09/early-october-turn-window.html For me, Mars is the big player for this turn, but it’s really interesting that we hone in on the same date. I have found this over and over with others using more traditional methods.
Anthony,ZigZag,Platy and to all the kind hearted souls out here …dont know if anyone of you have read THE EGG OF COLUMBUS -The hidden movements in stocks and commodities by GEORGE BAYER and if you have then you will know if you look at the weekly chart of the spy from the low in 09 . From the general pattern of the dinner table ,we are currently and soon to be forming the cheese and cracker in 2013. What follows will pay handsomely if you know what to do. The book is freely available on http://www.scribid.com in its 19 pages you will find the answers to all your questions . You will see the pattern unfold and no what to do until then peace and goodwill to all . Keep up the good work .
Thanks gannman, I’ll go check it out.
Yes I have read it and agree with your assessment. Thanks 🙂
This is straight to that book – http://www.scribd.com/doc/56187008/Bayer-George-The-Egg-of-Columbus
Thanks for the link Anon
Sorry hadnt logged in – hate to be anonymous 🙂
gannman…that was an enjoyable read…thanks for sharing!
Thanks for sharing Gannman
unknown…interesting predictions for the short term and 2013…in what time frame do you expect ‘the emini to retrace to 1380 area”? “2013…has to do with the 18 year cycle”…previously read about the 17 year cycle but not an 18 year cycle…please provide a link where we can read up on the 18 year cycle…concur with Platy…it would be best if you secure a wordpress account so we can attribute your forecasts to the appropriate individual…thanks!
1380 area by first week in Oct………….once it starts the area will be obvious if slightly less! I hate to be stupid BUT I have no idea about wordpress………is this easy to do as I hate working with new software? Thanks
When the roadmap misses (market was flat instead of up) like it did in the last week. How do you know when and where it will re-connect with mkt so to speak. ie. does SPX wait until roadmap comes down to it’s level or does SPX go up to roadmap level.
Tks in advance.
The roadmap gives a general view of major swings in the market. But also it tells us of potential CIT dates wen we look at the swing points. The roadmap is static so we would expect the market to move down/up into the next swing point. The next swing point is Monday/Tuesday showing a low, which also coincides with the impulse CIT date for a change in trend. They both use entirely different methods.
I expect the emini to retrace now to 1380 area!
Hi unknown, please get a wordpress account so we can identify you with your bold predictions. Thanks.
Hardly bold……straight geometry…………..srry if you took it as a spotlight challenge! Looks like the same old same old….thought it might be different here!
Wondering if you can let us know your current take on this next low on Oct 4 what would an estimate target be for SPX/SPY? As well an estimate target low for Nov 8 would be for SPX/SPY?
I see Anthony and Platy is being pretty conservative on these two big drop, like to know your take on it. 🙂
Not really Zig. It is part of the 18 year cycle and that is why it works. But it will be over in 2013. T’s have little to do with it if you know what cycle you are in. Ain’t a mystery. It will be done in 2013.
Here is what 2013 will look like ……………like I said it has to do with the 18 year cycle or I wouldn’t know ahead of time! Good luck all!
My work has nothing to do with the 18 year cycle and and the key is having multiple time frames in alignment. I do believe I have correctly demonstrated this over the last two years. T’s work great for short term cycles, if you know how to do them correctly.
I would stick with what Anthony and Platy say on price because I’m horrible at price predictions. However, if this monthly chart has any predictive price power, then it could be big.
The bad thing about monthlies is it could be off by a month.
I get it……….my point is the reason you into this area is because of the cycle which is present because of the 18 year………..which will be out of pahse in 2014 and come again in 2019 or so………….sqing or t’s are great but they are not the underlying force if you identify it!
Unknown…….thanks for posting the 2013 chart……….very helpful and the explanation of what year they are! gj
Why do you use 10 min. chart? Thanks.
re ‘road map’ you posted on September 20, 2012 …like your turn dates…you repeatedly reference 2014…presume you mean 2013…just curious, did you craft the ‘road map’?
That’s ZigZag’s roadmap Rotrot.
Platy…thanks for the feedback…ZigZag…like your turn dates…Anthony, ZigZag & Platy…you have a good thing going…keep on keeping on!
SPX pivot (green indicator directly below volume) signaled a sell…may experience some weakness on Monday…trend indicator (red/blue directly above price) remains up…good luck with your trading…
Interesting, thanks Rotrot!
The chart is 1967 and 1968………………..Good luck!
Nope, it’s a combination of 4 different time frames. You need short term and long term cycles in alignment for it to work. ZigZag
I can,t log in from my ipad for some reason. ZigZag
Look at the volumes for Friday. They are through the roof, especially given that volumes were declining dramatically into Thursday.
On previous occasions this has occurred it has marked significant tops and bottoms.
So I think next week we should either explode higher or drop like a rock.
I should have mentioned on “previous occasions” being “triple witching” that is.
Nasdaq likes to double top so we may get one more pop up before the correction if I’m right that there is one.
beetlejuice re volume on Friday, September 21, 2012
sorry, since march09
Thanks, platy I understand your explanationes, look what happened in 2011 with mars-jupiter, I think Jupiter-Ceres made a bottom for a short term. Is possible?. In JUL11 we saw new hihgs in Nasdaq, not in DOW, SP500, for example, before a big drop.
Please, platy, the Jupiter-Mars opp, 12-17 ago12, has been invalidated??
This signal is very important since march12.
Trend is up since 31 ago12?, but could be a minor movement?
Jupiter-Mars opp. has exist!
I don’t know if “invalidated” is the right word, but it has been reversed. I wrote about it here: http://planetforecaster.blogspot.com/2012/09/early-october-turn-window.html
The reason why is because Ceres is further from the Sun than Mars, so the Jupiter-Ceres conjunction therefore is more powerful than the Jupiter-Mars opposition.
Thanks, platy, but have anyone seen the bearish trendline in the Transport from july11, march, may, sep12?
I have been following the posts on this blog regularly. I would like to thank Anthony, Platy and ZZ for their fabulous timing. I would like to ask your opinion on the sell off currently taking place. In your opinion would you classify this as a change in trend/correction or is this just the usual Friday sell off.
Hi Taiz, I think we have a short term correction here only. I’ll be looking to re-enter long next week. My target is around 1440 but Anthony is the expert so we will have to see what he says. Anthony, ZZ and I are all expecting higher highs in the next week or two.
I agree platy, with end of the month/quarter and QE money still around, I think there will be a long opportunity especially as Monday has been the worst day so far this year and Tuesday reversing Monday’s gains
I think 9/22 is a short term high fwiw.
Peggy, will you call current level high or low? LOL…it’s hard to make conclusion here…if we call this low then God knows where we head from this level…
Everybody is happy with QE3, agreement, bullish sentiment, somebody remember bearish charts? I bet -0,618/ -0,76 from march09 to sep13?, target DOW 8.500-9000.
Similar to 1978 or 1918 in the Industrials, the timing! but stronger movements nowdays
The top near the Jupiter-mars conj in Ago12
The bottom next year, may be near ago13 (jupiter-mars), and we can see from may13 to sep13).
In the short term> -12/ 15% al least , oct12?
Jupiter-Ceres conjunction Aug 31 (a low) overrides Jupiter-Mars opposition. Trend is up from Aug 31. However, I would not be surprised to see some correction here which is why I took profits.
Venus 0 Ceres is often associated with an important high or low. Next one? 9/22/12
There ya go. Thanks Peggy 🙂
Thank you Pindar 🙂
And the QE3? in the top, intriguing, somenthing they know. The 1stQE dow drop -28%, from 9.000 to 6.500.
Is the recession beside the corner and they put all the resources? It can´t stop the recession, but can cushion
Don’t underestimate this QE3, it is open ended. And China is no longer dealing in petrodollars – that money will flow back into the States. We will see a new high before the big collapse.
Platy I here what you’re saying but there are so many indicators flashing warnings here.
QE open ended or not won’t be able to stop a full blown equity collapse.
I agree with that, but it is all in the timing!
Platy, I’m just not going to remain long in a market that has participants reacting more to Central Bank policy(manipulation) than it does to reality.
The data coming from every sector of the global economy is disastrous and so many historically dependable indicators are flashing warning signals that i can’t ignore.
I am not saying you and Anthony wont be correct, just that I can’t and won’t justify the risk.
Plenty of other ways to make money. GL Beatlejuice!
Just make sure you’re using stops. Don’t turn a win into a loss. I’m taking Anthony’s advice to wait for a breakout to the upside to re-enter.
Hey BeetleJuice, Can you tell us about the levels of indexes Erik Hadik is expecting or general guidelines with details for the sell off and the buy levels after the sell off please?
Thanks in advance!
Eric Hadik is not good at price targets. His expertise is cycle analysis. He has a major equity high end of September early Oct.
I think you are in better company here
Thanks a lot!
Not until Anthony sells, will it go down, LOL !
Yes, the transport is sayig: danger ahead, many weeks ago!
Well I’m gettin the hell outta dodge!
Something is going to give very soon. DOW Trans are crashing and breaking support and Volumes have been declining substantially all week, whilst gold is beginning to show negative divergence.
I cant see the markets making new highs this year.
I know gold stocks are coming off of very oversold levels but GLD weekly histogram is the most overbought in over 4 years whilst daily volumes are dropping off the cliff.
I smell a “flash crash” coming in equities
Sorry make that GDX not GLD
I tightened my stops.
I’m back to cash.
Euro Dollar COT ‘road map’
“…taking data from the eurodollar market, and applying it to an analysis of the US stock market. The key discovery that I made a few years ago is that the movements of the SP500 tend to echo what the commercial eurodollar traders were doing previously. I played around with alignments to get the best fit, and found that a one-year lead time gave the best correlation.”
Tom McClellan, May 27, 2011
thanks rotrot. here’s a link to an interactive chart with commercial eurodollar activity. it would put the high @ 10/25, low mid nov and up into early dec before a serious drop into early feb 2013. http://www.barchart.com/chart.php?sym=GE*1&style=technical&template=&p=DN&d=X&sd=&ed=&size=M&log=0&t=BAR&v=0&g=1&evnt=1&late=1&o1=&o2=&o3=&sh=150&indicators=COTLC%2813369344,26112,153%29;COTFIN%2813369344,26112,153,16750848%29&chartindicator_3_code=COTLC&chartindicator_3_param_0=13369344&chartindicator_3_param_1=26112&chartindicator_3_param_2=153&chartindicator_5_code=COTFIN&chartindicator_5_param_0=13369344&chartindicator_5_param_1=26112&chartindicator_5_param_2=153&chartindicator_5_param_3=16750848&addindicator=&submitted=1&fpage=&txtDate=
hanks rotrot. here’s a link to an interactive chart with commercial eurodollar activity. it would put the high @ 10/25, low mid nov and up into early dec before a serious drop into early feb 2013.
hi Anthony Tudela, a little wish list item whenever you are comfortable … 🙂 to include Dow30 price levels , side by side with SP500 in future price level targets updates .. no obligations though. once again thanks to all CIT team for the recent updates. Cheers!
Yesterday, my replay:
September 21, 2012
Is possible we could have seen the top in the Industrials, if not, is not far, i believe it, the cycle is estretching like a elastic band, in jul12 as much ago12, the top from march09. This is unvelieveable. Until 4th jul all is correct, but from ago12 to here, an eccentricity
Tom McClellan first published the Euro Dollar COT ‘road map’ in May of 2011…below is a link to a recent Euro Dollar COT chart (not McClellan’s)…
Don’t think so Apanalis.
Do you know the meaning of that chart. Thanks, platy
Anthony, my replay above yesterday>>>>>>>>
My name is Anthony, like you, I´m glad of your vasq roots.
Bovespa in 2010 fell 36%, 1 year ago, what about China, what about 2008-9, DOW droped 54%, what about DOW 1974, 46%, 1976 -28%, 1978, -30%
Could talk about 1906-23, with similar numers.
Cycles, always cycles, the 90 years cycles.
USD is bad actually, but EUR is worse and the path for EURUSD is close 1:1 in the end of 2015 or 2016.
We aw the peak of basic materials in 2008, a great peak, you can see the CRB index from most i hundred of years, from 30+-, you can see a peak, we can see rebounds, but the tendence is down.
Only Gold is bullish, but not in the medium term, 1.100-1.200 target next year.
Well that was a long drive in one helluva storm.
Bed early tonight. Up at 5am to watch the hump back whales. As i cant monitor the markets ive raised the stop to breakeven.
Have a great weekend
Where is the road map? I was here a few minutes ago. Now it’s gone. I would like to show someone the great corralation. Great map. I have traded cycles a long time. Great for catching zig zags. Extreme profits when you can catch the turn and profit up and down. Appreciate the great work.
Anthony, ZZ and Platy,
I really like all your analysis, however, it’s starting to get very confusing since each of your target dates for a high are different. ZZ has a high on Sep. 28, Platy a high on Oct 16-17, and Anthony a high early Oct. (I think). Two or three weeks different for a high in this market is significant. I know you each use different methods but is there some way you could put a place on the web site that summarizes each of your significant dates and charts?
Keep up the great work.
Please get a wordpress account. I think this is the 10th time of asking. it helps us to distinguish who’s who as you can empathize this is also very confusing
My high is October 2-5. I think what’s going on is that we think there is a peak in late September, and another one in early October, but we don’t know which one will be higher.
Thanks Platy. I have Oct 5 as a CIT.
If ZZ and Anthony are right about the intermediate top follows 2-3 months correction, we need to see a top formation, normally a rising wedge or a triangle on daily chart. Now we haven’t seen it yet. So bias is still up until the topping formation is seen. I would suspect 9/25 and 10/2-5 are forming the topping formation to allow the market to drop/correct.
Anthony,ZigZag,Platy and to all the kind hearted souls out here ,Thanks a million for your hardwork , dedication and research . You all have helped me out so so much . In my humble opinion The near term final top should be oct 15 as mars trines uranus , New moon and sun conjuncts moon .
Hi Gannman, thanks for your input. It’s interesting that my dates often coincide with other financial astrologers’ dates even though I use a totally different technique. I have an important date on October 16-17, very close to yours.
Good to hear gannman, this market has been tough since mid August with all the invervention
Thanks gannman, good to hear that 🙂
All of you are from the USA?
2 of us are 🙂
Brit, living in Australia with a welsh father and basque mother. lol.
I don’t ask questions 😉
All my answers are up, can you see them, Anthony, platy, and cy.
Thanks a lot for this website.
I am long from 1448 (ES) 🙂
It doesn’t get much more obvious than this. The S&P at multi year highs, and what does the CME do? Why it lowers initial (as in please come in and open new positions) spec margin for not only the E-Mini, but virtually every other major market “reflexive” product in existence including S&P, Dow Jones, Nasdaq, and subsector futures currently traded, by 12%. As a reminder, the last time that “other” asset class rose to multi-year highs, that would be gold, it hiked margin nearly every single day, with a culmination of two margins hikes in one day on May 4. Naturally, the margin hiker-in-chief is not as worried about stocks attaining the same bubble status since if anything it will merely cement reelection chances. That said, should WTI ever dare to go up above $100 watch as the CME proceeds to decimate anyone who dares to be long WTI futures on margin.
CME margins are usually based on volatility. From what I can see we are at extreem low levels. When gold spiked so did volatility for that commodity. Thus margins were hiked on volatility not price. Remember the Hunt brothers and silver?
“Notice that the 20-22 Sep peak is lower than the 04-05 October peak.”
That is not what I see on the chart…the 20-22 September peak is obviously higher than the 04-05 October peak.
Boy you guys giving me headache now..LOL I was waiting for Anthony’s target of 1448…just worry that I may miss the train to 1500!
Just know that you’re a true follower.
Went long 1457.Not ideal. Back to sleep.
I did buy about 30% since this is very close to 1448. With Anthony’s previous roadmap shows top 9/18 and a dip follows and top on 9/25. So I took the risk to shop some peacons.
Did anyone enter long today? or still waiting for lower low? becoz we are running out of time and lower low may not happen..or should say 1448-45 may never reach…
Here’s what the current weekly IBM chart looks like since I posted it on the 12th. Looking at the daily, if I start from the low and run it through the next high I hit Sept 25th. Hmmmm 🙂
Yes, that’s what I’m looking for. Should be an interesting next couple of weeks 🙂
Nice charts 2-ZED
do you still think we will see 1448, or is this a good entry point for a long position?
This is good that Anthony and ZZ are same wavelength as far as short term scenario concerned…ZZ chart shows sept 18th top and then down to may be 20th or 22nd and then up in sept 25th and then down from there….
Anthony do you agree with that play out? or you still think that top will be in around Sept 29th +-
Happy birthday Pindar !!
Next week 30 September my birthday (40 years OLD)
Lets have a top on that day 😉
Of course, different methods have different views, we will see who is correct
Happy birthday Pindar!
Happy birthday! 🙂
Thanks for the daily updates. If the cycle is inverted (meaning a low today), do you think the same will be true for the precious metals?
Thanks a lot you three, from St. Sebastian, north Spain, Europe, I´m a cycle analyst and i expect a big drop in DOW about 30%-35% next months, from next peak.
The chart above in the short term is significant and the dates from planetary conjuntions is correct, but i desagree the medium term.
USD is up against EUR and basic materials can drop with equities.
jul13-sept13, and may 13 also important dates, platy, ¿the bottom?
Hi Apanalis, i like San Sebastian also Portugalete. My grandparents are basque.
30-35% is a big number. Im thinking around 10%.
Good work Apanalis. May 2013 is very important, and July/August 2013. Both tops I believe.
Hello, platy, for me the bottom, after a drop in the Industrials of 30-35%.
Thanks for your planetary conjuntions. It´s curious the Mars-Jupiter conj.
It usually gets clearer as we get closer.
Is possible we could have seen the top in the Industrials, if not, is not far, i believe it, the cycle is estretching like a elastic band, in jul12 as much ago12, the top from march09. This is unvelieveable. Until 4th jul all is correct, but from ago12 to here, an eccentricity.
This one maybe for Platy. Shes good over long distances ;P
One Q. Why are you so interested in what happens in 2-3 years time. Is this for your 401 account?
“Hi Anthony,Zig Zag & Platy, just in regards to the S&P if we do get this last big push up into early Oct then a sell off into early Nov to around 1400 according to the road map attached below we then get a big rally into January 2014 followed by another big drop into March. When you are saying we head much higher into 2014 which I happen to also agree with when do you see this occurring after March 2014. Is March your low point in the markets for sometime? What sort of level are you looking at this low point.
I also believe with all this excess liquidity that we will head higher into a top in late 2014 or into 2015 before the final credit/debt bubble finally pops.
Thanks for your great work “
Hi Anthony, thanks for the reply, Yes I partly trade in my 401 so I like to look at longer term as well but I also trade in my personal account for the shorter term moves. So I take an interest in both time frames. But I also know that things can also change quickly in the markets so it does pay to be flexible.
My roadmap does not go out to 2014 yet but I see a big crash after the market peaks in august 2013.
“then get a big rally into January 2014 followed by another big drop into March. When you are saying we head much higher into 2014….. after March 2014.”~I think you are talking about 2013, not 2014 right?
You became long term bull looks like; is there any reason other then QE3?
Stock markets dont top on bad economic news. Once we are “out of the woods” and things are “booming” then we have to worry about the stock market rolling over. We also need inflation assets to spike much higher which they havent yet to cause a spike in inflation that will cripple the people.
Large companies are cutting thousands of jobs. What do you think will be next years earnings news, “record profits” as a result of cost cuts.
The economy and the stock market are unrelated or put another way they are not related in the way that we are meant to believe they are related.
end of september is full moon. normally that is a low, but…..ok sometimes it’s inverted also
I am with you Anthony . 1448 long here .(pos div on 5 min) Lets have a high on the 25th
My order for a buy is in 1448. Stop 1442.
Are you looking at the S&P cash or the dec contract emini S&P
Hi Michael. Cash.
Looks like we get a down day so we are inverted. Nice day to find a bottom 🙂
Think you could be right Klass. Down day, dollar reversal, dollar bear flag completion, dollar collapse, equities higher……….nice.
Will post updated roadmap tomorrow if this plays out.
Do you see the S&P testing the 666 lows in the next 5 years?
Unlikely. I think we head much higher with the destruction of the $.
Hi Anthony,Zig Zag & Platy, just in regards to the S&P if we do get this last big push up into early Oct then a sell off into early Nov to around 1400 according to the road map attached below we then get a big rally into January 2014 followed by another big drop into March. When you are saying we head much higher into 2014 which I happen to also agree with when do you see this occurring after March 2014. Is March your low point in the markets for sometime? What sort of level are you looking at this low point.
Thanks for your great work 🙂
so nowhere near the 1266 lows of June eh?
Roadmap is a time map.
These are inflationary times, oil has not peaked, gold has not peaked we head higher into 2013.
Anthony do you have a target price wise abouts for Nov low?
Yeah 1400ish, strong support there.
Hello Anthony, if tommorow is the peak day why would you buy any dips? when bigger portion of the action is to the downside?
Simon, if tomorrow is a down day that means the cycle has inverted, which means there are 5-6 days left of upside. If we hit strong support then im a buyer.
It will also mean that we have to rephase the projections for a high but thats ok.
The ideal scenario is a big up day into Thursday and close of play Friday so we will wait for that.
All of three of us are expecting a higher high at some point in line with the continuuing collapse of the dollar.
If the cycle has inverted that would mean that the market would top around 29-30 September which is also in line with our projection for the dollar low.
Sometimes Mr Market throws a curve ball at crucial moments and these things invert. But we have him in our sights……….
September 20, 2012
I don’t have a chart but Australian real estate is oneof he biggest bubbles around.
This may be of interest
It’s looking to me like tomorrow’s setting up to be a buy-the-dip day. Pindar may even get his lower low on oil. 🙂 Let’s sit tight and see what happens.
If thats the case 1444-1446 would be a decent area to load up the truck. Lets see what happens.
now that we are getting close, would you say the top will be Sep 21 & the CIT will be the 24th?
No since my trade earlier stopped out I think we may have a little dip tomorrow. I’ll wait.
ZigZag can you please post the link to your chart again – I cant find it anywhere. Thank you 🙂
Hi cycle, it should still be there. I’ll go see what’s wrong and fix it..
Time to buy some oil. 🙂 I have an important turn date for oil tomorrow but my dates are usually +/- 1 day.
USO yes. Just put a stop on it.
That would be a nice birthday present. I hope you get it. 🙂
I’ve been reading Anthony’s analysis as we go higher into 20-22 which mean you would buy today or tomorrow on the long side.
ZigZag is saying drop into the 20th and then go long up into the end of the month 25-30. Given the existence of QE the drop that ZZ was looking for into tomorrow may have just been a consolidation thus not really worth going short. It’s just wait and see mode. I still hold some stocks on the long side and will consider selling them toward the end of the month.
Want to open account with Worpress; is there any benefit? I just don’t want to open accounts everywhere if possible.
Good call “GURUS”…looking set for going higher on sept 20- 22…
Hi guys, I always read you and I´m very greatful for your work (which has surprised me in a well sense!!!).
I read Anthony saying that you are excpecting a lower high by the 20/22nd, but conversely, the updated chart above shows a higher high.
So, do we have to wait a lower high (as Anthony said) or a higher high (as the chart predict) by that date?
Thank you in advance for your reply
Anthony just updated his blue chart above. The other chart that shows higher high on 10/4 is his “roadmap” chart. It shows trend changes, prices on it are adjusted as time draws near.
hello grate work from all, hi may i ask a question please ? is there a chart in regards to Australian housing if it is in a bubble please?
I don’t have a chart but Australian real estate is oneof he biggest bubbles around.
This may be of interest
Can you re-post the link as it gave me a drop box error here. Thank you
zigzag I cant get your link of your chart to work? Anything wrong or just my computer?
Cycleanalysis – It’s your PC, worked fine on mine.
Bought /es 1454.25, stop 1453. I see a fractal in play that looks very bullish from here.
I stopped out. at 1453. Looking for another good entry.
hello all CIT pple , just want to say a big thank you to all, especially to Anthony Tudela, ZZ , platypusfoot and many other gurus for making this place a great , informative , friendly up-to-date website, Once again thanks again for all the behind the scenes hardwork, Appreciate it all. Cheers ! 🙂
Hey augold you’re welcome.
Cheers Augold 🙂
I have some longs and if we get a dip tomorrow I may add.
I’m 100% in cash too…. and remaining very patient. I suspect we’ll experience price inversion into the full moon so I’m preparing for higher prices (rather than lower) into the end of the month. It’s a bit muddled at the moment due to QE3 and US elections so I’d rather stay out for the next couple of weeks.
I am 🙂
Sorry I forgot to mention hi to Platy as well
Dont forget Platy this is her home away from home.
Hi Myuniversalworld 🙂
Hi Platy 🙂
Hi Anthony & Zig Zag
Just in regards to the updated chart on the S&P above are the price projections on the chart a view of what levels you see the market going to? eg. 1500 + or is it just indicating the cycle high & low movements to come.
Thanks. Both. These should be general price areas in general time areas.
Check the latest roadmap.
hi Anthony and zig zag and platy……I read two days ago that a top is expected in your analysis on 20-22 Sep. Is that still valid or has it changed ? I’ m a stock trader in Europe and for sure not a novice looser so that normally I avoid to give much credit to forums and blogs, but this one has caught my attention because you look like serious guys. That’s why i would like to know if something has changed in your analysis or if 20-22 sep is still a turn date for a top. Thank you again.
There are many smart people on blogs and forums. Sometimes they dont look professionally put together as people have varying skills. Were lucky that the CIT team have a variety of skills to draw upon to create a professional blog. We take our work very seriously but so do those guys too. We all started somewhere and the CIT are grateful for other websites and individuals to put themselves in the line of fire and in the public eye.
Were looking at that time period for a lower high, check out the executive summary for the latest roadmap.
Thank you…..just a few days that I have been following you and your approach seems interesting to me. I’ m looking at many charts here in Europe in the sectors lately under pressure and your analysis fits well with my own about an imminent stop to the bullish trend that possibly has now convinced anyone and his sister that the bull is invincible…….which is exactly what you expect at a top……..whatever top it may be IT or LT. Thank you for your free analysis. I’ m experienced enough to say that you captured my attention and this must mean something.
Thanks a lot Nicola, welcome to our blog! 🙂
Thank you guys for your responses….will wait for Sept 25th I guess…
We’re looking at Sept 20-21 right now Stockboom. One step at a time.
Happy Birthday Pindar! 🙂
Anthony: I think dollar has reversed and you won’t have that lower low you’re looking for. Gold is also looking done at 1775 level. Dollar will have a higher low irrespective of the dates, it seems as consensus is for lower dollar. In another words, dollar can strengthen and make a bottom or more likely reverse higher on short covering and then put in a higher low. SPX may or may not have a higher high and it certainly can go for the higher level above 1475 despite dollar strengthening/bottom formation.
This is a very interesting thing because Anthony, ZZ and I all came up with almost exactly the same date for the dollar bottom using very different methods, which should be very close to the 29th.
Play, Thanks for replying. It will be interesting learning experience for me to see dollar go down again and you all might very well be right. $DXY can then be at 78.5 and SPX can go up to 1495? Thanks again!
I’m good with dates and shapes but not amounts. We have to wait for Anthony to finish his coffee to answer this.
Anonymous – My cycle analysis actually shows gold won’t top until 9/24 with dollar moving lower ’til then, so I agree with Anthony’s analysis. Guess we’ll find out who’s right in 4 days. I think it’s good that we all register with the WordPress account; otherwise, we don’t know if a person is just a troll or a real follower.
Hi Anthony, ZZ
This is great site and helps people; I have question though; why both of your direction ( short term) are differ?
Can you please explain?
P.S. I seriously want this blog to remain enriched with solid information and knowledge rather then bashing like SC blog.
Hi Stockboom, even if we get a little pull back here, ZZ and Anthony agree we should go higher. Don’t worry too much about the day to day wiggles.
The correlation peaks around the 25th and it can hit sooner. It’s usually +/- a day or two. Like what Platy said – Don’t worry too much about the day to day wiggles.
Great suggestion ; ) I Like this site too and had been thinking the same and too bad there weren’t time stamps along with the dates…(just a thought)
…I know on some blogs it’s not possible. Overall, all that has been provided and done has always been GREATLY appreciated! We have to realize a lot of these blogs are also made successful with the valuable and insightful questions being asked 🙂
GL to all,
I’m not complaining , just giving a good suggestion to site. There is lots of free site and this is just an idea so easier for readers to find the charts.
Its quite confusing with so many charts. Is it possible you can make a chart on the “updated” analysis ZigZag on the frontpage or right side or left side in menu? Confusing to look at all comments before finding a chart you have posted? Thanks a lot.
I wouldn’t complain too much cycleanalysis. This is free (so far).
Good point cycle. Its not high on the priority list right now but a good suggestion.
Hey Anthony, thanks for referring to my blog for the Hurst Channels. My stats showed quite some pageviews sourcing from your blog. Curious though on the band settings you used as the UUP-chart doesn’t reveal them.
No problems TrendXplorer. Yes they are hidden for a reason ;p
Hi Anthony, ZZ, platy– thanks for your hard work and thinking of the SMALL GUY…Im new to investing and appreciate your insight. Im interested in a paid sub in the future
The correlation has a peak tomorrow, so if we start dropping after tomorrow then keep an eye out for possible low around the 20th. We’re so close that it might not make much difference in the bigger picture what we do between now and the 24th -25th I try to look at least a month out, so when we get close like this I just hang out and wait for it.
There are more and more analysts calling for 20-22 Sep to be a major high. For this reason i think that we may be setting up for a secondary high in early October outlined in the roadmap. Remember – the roadmap shows general trend and is not necessarily indicative of price movements per se. We could end up with a higher high in early October despite the roadmap showing a lower high, i have a plan for this volatile trading period anyway…….
Thanks for thinking of the “small’ guy– like an old retired guy trying to supplement what he gets.
No worries John.
We’ll keep everyone updated.
We do recognise that there is a need for a premium service for serious investors so we will likely put together a premium forecast for these people.
For the smaller guy will try to navigate where we can without stepping on the toes of our premium members.
Quy we are in discussions at the moment regarding a premium service for subscribers. However, we recognise that it is very important for us to continue to help out the smaller guys too. 🙂
THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THINKING OF THE SMALL GUYS & GIRLS
Anthony – I’m confused by your comment on gold pulling back to 182-184 before moving up. XAU is at 191 now & since we expect the dollar to move down into end of this week, won’t gold move up with SPX ? May be you meant pull back to 182 after reaching the 199 target by this week’s end ?
Weve always been up into the 20-22, stick to that plan.
Thanks Anthony, u da man ! If you ever want us to pay a subscription fee for this, I’ll be the first to sign up.
do you still think tomorrow we will top & than go down a couple of days?
Yes, I think we’re getting close. The 4th year Presidential cycle also suggests a multi week decline is what’s next.
it is designed to look like a top. Which means we head higher. Patience.
I am new here……………and I’ m not an American, I’ m in Europe, so that my English might sound a bit ”exotic” sometimes. I would like to ask if I am right when I say that 1477-1480 is the finalsp target marking a CIT on 17-18 Sep and the sp is going to drop as in the chart above till Nov. Thank you I just need to know if I correctly understood the posts
Thanks Platy re:
“Hi Pindar, I suspect that any drop will be easily bought back up so we could have for example a draw down on Monday and/or Tuesday that reverses back up to higher highs later in the week. I’m expecting higher markets through October 2-5 which is pretty close to Anthony/ZZ’s dates.”
The dollar is oversold here but i believe its going to crash lower.
Monday we could see a brief pullback to just under the 1400 level before resuming up.
Whooops its this Fed they have drugged me lol, edited to 1400 🙂
Anthony – Your edited number is still at 1400, did you mean 1460 ?
lol takes a while to wear off – 1450
Anthony – Your XAU first target reached today around 192 ( awesome call ! ). Higher 199 target is doable by the 19th still ? Seems like XAU is a better reward play than SPX. Can’t thank you/ZZ/Platy enough for helping out us little guys.
Thanks Quy, that call was pretty much to the tick. Didn’t take the trade though lol, i just like the S&P. I think gold will pull back to 182-184 before heading higher again.
That is one target. It depends on time. If time is right then price must also be right. As the roadmap is up into 20-22 lets see where this dollar finds support. One mussy bring all elements together.
Hi Anthony, just to clarify, you see S&P pulling back to only 1450 next week?
thank you Anthony………in other words your work suggests that the stock market is up until 20-22 Sep when the dollar finds support and then the stock market is down until Nov while the dollar is rising….am I right ? Thank you
Pindar overall we should be up into 20-22 Sep, Monday may be a whip saw day as we work off the large gains over the last couple of days. If we break Fridays low i think we’ll head down towards 1450ish but we need to break that low, if not we grind up. So we just need to be patient, time and price will tell is, dollar should continue to collapse into 20-22.
Does your forecast for a down October still hold despite the Bernanke QE3+ announcement….it sounds like Bernanke just gave himself unlimited ability to support the market until he can get Obama re-elected and save his job. thoughts?
Tks in advance.
People are creatures of habit, they have already been conditioned to think that now we have QE3 the market is invincible, once we head down into the election and commodities have eased off and the world doesnt look so inflationary and gas/petrol is a bit cheaper and food is a bit cheaper we can pump it up again in time for Christmas and 2013. 😉
Bradley turn dates 9/30 and 10/10.
Market looking exhausted to me and if that’s all it’s got then lookout below. Drop into 30th up into 10th and then sell off into Nov.
Interestingly the 12/22 is a major Bradley date one of four this year so would be interested to see how these dates figure in with ZZ’s and Anthony’s timing.
Great work btw guys. I wasn’t convinced going into this month that your targets would be met but you did yourselves proud.
Thanks again Anthony, ZigZag and Platypusfoot. Have a great weekend all.
My pleasure, you too investbb 🙂
Got off the options ride today with a gain. Still holding some stocks but about half cash. Probably wouldn’t do anything until maybe go long on the 20th.
ZigZag and Anthony thank you again and have a great weekend.
FYI, I have a minor turn date for this weekend due to heliocentric Venus 36°, geocentric Venus 36°, and New Moon 72°. So we may have a temporary top in here or on Monday.
Hi Pindar, I suspect that any drop will be easily bought back up so we could have for example a draw down on Monday and/or Tuesday that reverses back up to higher highs later in the week. I’m expecting higher markets through October 2-5 which is pretty close to Anthony/ZZ’s dates.
Great calls ZigZag 🙂 Going by your coment re waiting for election to reassess. Do you not short or are you possibly seeing a sideways market?
Hi crisstoff, thanks..
I will try a short if I like what I see as we approach that Sep 18-25 area. My strength is on timing and I’m not very good on what price will do, so I’m not sure how big a price move we will see. My best guess is we should see a pretty good drop into the elections.
Thanks for the reply ZigZag. Good to see your work lining up with my T work, in which my short Ts are or have ended 13th-18th. I tend to draw them conservatively 🙂
So with your timing forecast, with sep 18-25 a possible CIT date, is there any remaining in 2012?
Thanks in advance
VIX is showing signs of reversal here and SPX starting to lose momentum. We could be in for a interesting afternoon.
NDX technology still strong, expecting closes at around SPY 147, next week opex quarterly expiration would be interesting
Hi ZZ, hope you are enjoying your fishing. Just one quick question if you dont mind.
what is the low date on your correlation chart between the Sep 18 and the Sep 25 peak?
The low date on that is Sep 20th
Would you change your view after the FOMC announcement, the market seems (US across Asia) happy to this news, i read many blog have changed your view on testing the 2007 high – Spx 1576 , just want to know yours.
Fully agreed with beetejuice –
“there is no such thing as free markets anymore, just interventions”
This year – no chance. I doubt for a while. This is the pump it up going to the moon stage where retail have been conditioned to think the market is invicible. Im of the belief that we are going to get a commodities driven inflation stage like no other with commodities way out performing equities which i believe will be sold into for an important high in 2013.
Great site guys!!
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How does it go?….
“there is no such thing as free markets anymore, just interventions”
Remember what happened to gold and stock market not long after QE2?
If not have a look.
Im really keen to nail this top. Theres still gas in the tank but were getting there wouldnt be surprised to see a couple of hammer days leading up into 17-20 Sep. Early weakness mid session recovery, the normal.
The dollar is the key now, ill let you know as soon as im locked and loaded to the short side.
Usually 10% of total portfolio. Ill just short the index futures. Its pretty conservative but it works for me.
I don’t like playing around with ETFs they are “too retail”, ie too prone to manipulation.
Its certainly a marathon rather than a sprint.
Hi Zig Zag thanks for answering my Q above, I’ve seen you on SCs blog and all things were great before May and then things forked off and so did my analysis and back to square 1 minus some. Should have sold off in May and gone fishing…would have been wayyy ahead LOL. But one thing just amazes me is your charts trend accuracy. Do you hold a lot of long positions. I’m finding day trading is not working out to well and am starting to lean towards some long positions after elections.
I usually hold a few ETF’s and 6 to 8 momentum stocks.
You’re not alone, I tried day trading years ago, and I sucked at it big time. I find it’s best for me to trade the trend and then go fishing with a cold six pack 🙂
For this year my biggest ETF positions have been SSO and QLD. I also had smaller positions in FAS and MVV. I try stay away from X3 ETF’s as much as I can, and I never touch anything VIX related.
Congrats on nailing the 1460’s already today. I have only been reading you and Zig for about 2 months but so far, it’s impressive.
Since you reached your peak a bit early….what do you see happening next from here?
Tks in advance.
with 40B/month and no end date, do you guys still see Sept is the peak of the year?
cause if they keeps that up and ECB doing what they said would do, market can keep grinding it up..
“It works regardless of what the Fed does. In fact, I believe it can just about predict what Bernanke will do. The only way we were going to see a new high during this month was if Benny announced QE3.” <–ZigZag
Just copy your posting from above. Have a question on that one. Since it seems you may already knew QE3 will happen in order for that September new high to happen from that statement above. Wondering if you can let us know what may or probably happen then with this drop coming up that you seeing in your prediction? War? Someone stole the printer from the FED?
I think it will be something unexpected. Perhaps war? I don’t know for sure.
Someone stole the printer from the FED? LOL!
wow, great call
thanks again for sharing
Does anyone here feel that technical analysis, solar cycles, etc don’t work as well or aren’t as consistent when the markets are on such a “high” due to the money being pumped in artificially?
For example, ZigZag, can you speak to the consistency of your system during the last money printing phase?
It works regardless of what the Fed does. In fact, I believe it can just about predict what Bernanke will do. The only way we were going to see a new high during this month was if Benny announced QE3.
Hi Zig Zag, hope u dont mind me asking, will u be sitting on the sidelines till after the 25th?
I’m more than likely on the sidelines until the election. I’ve had a good run for the year and I’m content to just wait. I’ll still be posting cycle charts and my thoughts while I wait, so I won’t be fishing all the time for me 🙂
In the short run this will create a nice euphoria to sell into. It’s hard to imagine a market going down while it’s on steroids from Ben though…wait and see.
bettlejuice: sounds interesting from Ed Carlson, may I ask did Mr, Carlson predict any the lowest price on Nov. 2012 and April/May 2013?
Thank you Anthony and ZZ, Thanks for sharing your bright and wonderfull works with us. you saving us a lot. Thanks HM2535
im not familiar with his work. Hows his track record?
Anthony from what I know of him he has a reasonable record and very avid following.
He is a proponent of George Lindsay and Authored a book “George Lindsay and the Art of Technical Analysis”
He has a website and offers a subscription service but I won’t paste a link here out of respect to you guys.
He currently sees the market as forming the domed house of George Lindsay’s “3 peaks and domed house”
So that could fit very well into the market map above, ie. down into November would be the first decline from the top of the domed house followed by a correction up, possibly into January and then a larger sell-off into April/May ’13
Ed Carlson has a high major high around 18th
Will we see SPX 1500 before Spx 1300…..time will tell.
Are you saying we go up until the 18th, followed by some consolidation\downer and then up again into the 24th?
I don’t know for sure on this next next peak. My cycles say we peaked, but the correlation has us making one more high by Sept 25th. My best guess is we go down soon and then one final push to around the 25th before it’s all over..
I went 100% in cash today for the first time this year.
That’s pretty amazing because a lot of the technical indicators didn’t work during the QE era. Thanks for all you guys do here really appreciate it.
Haha, no problems Anthony. I though it may be your IP.
I have only recently discovered your work, so apologies if this has been covered before. Just wondering how did you formulate the light blue line (roadmap) in the above chart of the SPX500.
Unfortunately that is something that i will not disclose.
IBM weekly says we’re getting close..
Okay, back out on my fishing boat 🙂
Loving ya work ZZ
You must be catching a few fish lol…………..
I’ve caught so many that I might need a bigger freezer. LOL!
Interestingly, the euro dollar cot forecast has very similar cit dates but reversed (11/8 high, 1/3/13 low, 3/13/13/high). Is it possible that your model could invert? tia.
given that today & yesterday were CIT, would you not expect the market to move up from here to the next date? Or do you think we will go down to your 1416 target 1st?
Am so short I can’t see straight here, I believe the top was Friday, will be taking part of this position off if today’s low comes out then will look to sell what little news the Fed has to offer.
Well good luck Tim, for me price objectives havent been met.
Anthony, maybe we are in the wave 4 consolidation with low today and again tomorrow before 5th wave up into 9/20?
Since ES went over 1434 today, on a double top scenario, 1404 on the ES is strong possibility. Any thoughts on that?
Thank you Anthony for letting us know your entry.
Placed a buy order @1418 stop at 1414. Thx Anthony
Thanks for your input pindar.
Rule 45b from the traders almanac states
“trade the charts not the news”
Depending on time/price the upside target is in the range of 1460-1462, or a lower target in the range of 1446-1452
After the Gold and Silver high in the third week of September, what’s the target low you’re expecting coming November end or in December?
Also, are you following this PM assets being in bear market and hence this rally as bear market rally?
Anon, i think all commodities are at least a good buy until 2013 at this point. We are going to see inflation continue to rise. Maybe ask Platy what she thinks regarding her long term view.
As for a more specific gold target im out for the day so i will post a target later.
We are in the bull market now for PMs I believe. We should have some sort of correction soon but I think it will be brief. Much higher by the end of the year. My confidence on this is shaky because Martin Armstrong sees gold topping now and going lower into the year’s end but I suspect his cycles are inverted. So take that for what it is worth.
Thanks so much both of you! I appreciate your time and attention…
Thanks so much! I appreciate your time and input…
wondering are you seeing ~1417 as a point of short term low and then we will bounce to new high on 18-25th on SPX? If that is what you seeing, wondering if you can let us know the target for the new high you have in mind?
He outlined new high as 1462 by 9/20
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