with Anthony, ZigZag & Platy
Yes, it´s very nice, indeed.
This is unbelievable how many here are Believers. I too am a believer as a faithful practicing Catholic. Most other websites have bigots who chastize those who are open about their beliefs, but not here. So refreshing.
Platy, It is interesting how your Nov 2 on the pentagon coincides with ZZ’s roadmap for a possible low in the indices….I definitely will be keeping an eye on that day
How To Calculate Probabiltiy
Lets say you’ve developed a trading system. Now you need to evaluate it to make sure the results are better than chance. You need to calculate the probablilty.
A – total number highs and lows that occured during a the
entire time period
w – window width (2 days, 2 weeks, 2 months, 2 years etc.)
t – total time window width you’re analyzing in days
B – number of Highs and Lows (or indicator cross’if thats
what you watch for) observed during the time being
K – Number of times the signal coincided with a price high
or low (i.e. the number of ‘hits’ )
note* the asterick symbol below (*) implies multiplication
P = Probaility = A*w / t
N = multiplier = B! / (K! * (B-K)!) where:
K! is K factorial; B! is B factorial etc.
lets say K = 3 then K! = 3 * 2 * 1 = 6
p = N*(PK)*((1-P)(B-K)) = total probability
(probability that what is being observed is due to chance)
Gann’s “valuable secret, clothed in veiled language” is that, as the Bible clearly states, astrology really works. This theme runs throughout the book and is highlighted in the following quotations:
“Robert was a great believer in Astrology because he had found this great science referred to so many times in the Holy Bible. He had made notes as he read the Bible at different times where it referred to Astrology or the signs in the heavens and was thoroughly convinced that the influence of the heavenly bodies govern our lives” (page 172).
“I believe in the stars, I believe in astrology, and I have figured out my destiny. The Bible makes it plain that the stars do rule” (page 66).
“Through my study of the Bible, I have determined the major and minor time factors which repeat in the history of nations, men and markets” (page 70).
“I have studied the Bible very carefully because I believe it is the greatest scientific book ever written. The laws are plainly laid down how to make a success. There is a time and a season for everything and if a man does things according to the time, he will succeed” (page 204).
“Robert had gone deeply into the Bible study in order to learn more about the great science of Astrology” (page 213).
“He read all the books he could get on astrology and began to understand why thing had happened as they had” (page 215).
fixing to rain like crazy out here in texas………..its going to rain some $$$$$$ this week in the market …………….had my coffee , now straight to the kitchen …..breakfast…………….my , my, my…
“Every movement in the market is the result of a natural law and of a Cause which exists long before the Effect takes place and can be determined years in advance. The future is but a repetition of the past, as the Bible plainly states: `The thing that hath been, it is that which shall be; and that which is done is that which shall be done, and there is no new thing under the sun.’ -Eccl. 1:9.”
W. D. Gann, “Method for Forecasting the Stock Market,” p. 1
No matter how my hopes shall fail,
Or how I fall behind,
I’ll not sit down tonight to wail
That God has been unkind.
But, with a duty to fulfill,
And with a proud, defiant glance,
I’ll prove that still
I have the courage and the will,
And gird me for tomorrow’s chance.
Tunnel through the Air, pp. 144-145
A true masterpiece!
LOL thanks Apanalis 🙂
Congratulations, platy, 102 commnets!
I´m not expert in this area, platy, are you, but if you see the chart from march09 to now in NDX index, you put it in your web, the Jupiter-Mars, in 2011, i can remmember, is exceeded the two signals of may11, not broken, on the top in jul11, but the planetary signals are by aproximation, like everything in life, noting is exactly -what would said a mathemathian!
Similar to may12-ago12.
I could be confused, i bet many months ago that in march+- ´w see the highs in DOW and we are in the same levels, around 13.000, near 13.000 1 half a year ago, not exceed too much.
If my system and my structure for the DOW is correct, no new highs we should see in the Industrials, nor SP500, nor Russell2000, nor Nasdaq100, nor, Walshire5000, the american economy is swimming in dark water, the recession is on the corner, or is nowdays?
QE3 could support all the damage of the real economy?
QE· culd support the deceleration of the emerging markets?
And Europe? In recession many monthe ago.
Everybody thinks on a bullish market.
Somebody remmemer 1 year ago?
Has someone seen the Bovespa Index?
Yes you are right, and there is some slop in this type of analysis.
By the way JUPITER- Ceres, support is broken in NDX, so i Bet, i told you, it seemed to be a top reinforcing the Jupiter-Mars signal of agoust and the may uranus signal.
Nobody remmember that from implemented oct08 QE1 DOW dropped from 9.000 to 6.500 to march09.
Jupiter-Mars and Uranus tops were both broken too.
We had a drop in 9th year from 2000, about 50%, always is like this, you can se 06-23 and so in the past, so now -0,618 or more from the top in DOW JONES
Which roadmap, platy?
In your answers, seems like you are expecting some
crash like 1929-32
I have studied structures in DOW JONES and another crash must wait at least to 2023, that´s because i think, will be a bottom 2013, but i can be wrong.
I have a roadmap of how things will play out through 2013, but it’s mostly in my head because parts of it are clearer than others.
I don’t know how bad the crash will be but I don’t expect it to be as bad as ’29.
platy, the last, question: 3 sep29 wasn´t a 13 year cycle. After was a disaster, after 90/100 years cycle, like 1837, like 1720, like… so.
Are you expecting somenthing like that in 2013?
I cuould be wrong, but if 21 may13 is a 13-year cycle, it could be like 1974 or 1915 and the end of the 17 yeras cycle finish in 2017 beating the roof from 2000-2007-2012.
Good question. I imagine it more like 1974 but my roadmap doesn’t go past 2013 yet and I’m really not good with price levels. And yeah, I was thinking the end of the 17 year cycle would be up like you describe.
Platy – I for one, sure hope that 5/21/2013 will be the “rapture”, I long for it. No amount of money made in the market could compare to it. Glad you’re a Bible believer too. Glory be to God !
That’s not the significance I was thinking for that date, but sure, it could be. We don’t know do we?
My favourite website
Looks interesting! Thanks I’ll check it out.
Great words of wisdom GM, keep them coming.
Jeremiah 29:11….. For I know the plans I have for you,” declares the Lord, “plans to prosper you and not to harm you, plans to give you hope and a future.
Trade the market today …………yesterday is dead and gone ……..gann researched past price history…………..the law of action reaction………..the BIBLE was his book of books ………..he kept astrologers close by ……….astrology helps u understand the cause and effect ….for example if sun trine uranus …well thats the cause …what will or how will it effect the market ………..i have already penciled in all astro aspects on my weekly chart from now till 2017 ……so as you approach the cit date look at the technicals and if they agree be it overbought or oversold and line up ..dont be afraid to take the trade ….i wish i could fast forward time but i cant …once in a decade you get a chance to be a millionaire …..look over …many a times you had it but passed it by……….heres your chance ……dont let it pass by …….consult the weekly chart to see how much has been lost or gained …………..trade with the trend always ………….gann knew how the public would react if he told them he used astro ….he kept it hidden …………seek and you shall find …………
MarkTwain said that all is repeted in the world, cycles the same, so i Can not compare 1929 to 2013, yes to 1918-1978.
See the past and you can see the future
Is possible to know previous Uranus signals since 2008-9, for example, platy?
Yes, we can go back centuries.
Another question is that may12 was Uranus signal for the Market Master- Cowan, near the top of 17 years, the 3rd since 2000, 17 years from 2000. Logically the bottom should be next year, about -30% in DOW, around 9.000 at least, and in summer, double bottom?
Sorry, not following. This 17 year cycle began in 2000. Why should there be a bottom next year?
One of the signals I’m looking for is a triple top of the S&P btw.
After 12-13 years 1st peak, DOW is back around 0.618 from highs. From 2000> 2012-13.
DOW is the boss in markets, you have most century series, including before 1900, with recreations.
I see. You could be right Apanalis. What I think is just what I think, not what I know.
Thanks you both, i understand now platy; but i must say that NOT ALWAYS the Beast cycle is a top, look sep74.
Yes that is true. I would contend that the upcoming Beast cycle is special.
all credit to platy …….lots of hardwork…………and very clear observations ………..the force be with you always ………….keep up the good work ……..
Thanks GM. Right back at you!
darn it spell check .placement
666weeks …also the exact placemen of uranus on the 1929 top ………..hint may 21(2013)
Yes GM! I wrote about this here:
that’s when the nuts are done?
666 is cowans beast cycle ….may 2013
there once lived 4 brothers …what ..why…when …who……….
apocalipsis 6:6, I´m definitely lost, platy.
I am only supporting the idea of a retracement about 30% in the Industrials from the last crest.
Right, to us it’s Revelation 6:6. World events tell me we are seeing these scriptures playing out before our eyes. It’s all tied together.
Fascinating site. Thank you for being kind enough to share what you have learned. That said, I am wondering if you have ever felt any reservations about using these methods given the fact that many Christians see the Bible as warning against the use of astrology. I ask as I am contemplating this myself. My gut says it is all in the intention and place we put it (not making it God). But I would be interested in your thoughts.
What a great question. Yes I have struggled with this, however, the Bible tells us to look to the stars for signs (Luke 21:25) and there are many clues in the Bible about planetary cycles. (It was Gann’s major source.) I think these clues were put there for us to discover them. I think the danger is in turning from God and His will. More important than the role of the planets in cycles is our understanding of God and even why He allows the role of Satan. There is a purpose to everything. But this is an important question that each person must answer for themselves.
Thanks, that is helpful. Have you seen “The Star of Bethlehem” dvd? It has some really inspiring findings about the alignments of the stars and planets during the time of Christ.
Is that the one about the Venus-Jupiter conjunction?
That is part of it but it also talks about eclipses and the constellations. This is the site: http://www.bethlehemstar.net
The truth is, (again, coming from a “scientific” background) I would never have believed the Bible if I had not first found planetary cycles. This is where my path has led me.
and using planetary cycles as a timing tool, not a predictive one of your future…prayer works better for that. 🙂
Good point Peggy!!
I know what you mean. Thankfully God is merciful and provides just what we need to find our way back if we are destined to do so.
I can’t help but think I’ve been lead in this direction for a reason. So yeah, I’ll just keep following wherever this leads.
When I realized the truth about the Bible, my first prayer was for understanding.
Also friend look to Diego Ratti’s http://www.wallstreetwatchman.com/ little books http://www.astro-trading.net/ where he demonstrates examples of clear astrological data written into the bible for those with eyes to see. Remember the bible is a different book for different people. Imagine, back in the day when a hand scribed text in hebrew, greek or latin would have been worth a small fortune. Information was passed in secret via ancient texts, the bible is no exception.
The discouragement of astro is not unique, Buckminster Fuller, reminds that simply using mathematics was a crime punishable by death only a handful of centuries ago. I guess they didn’t want the serfs questioning the churches accounting methods when their herd animals and harvests were run through for taxation every Autumn!
Thanks again Swampyankee.
Biblical reasons, platy? i get lost in your thougths.
What has 2013 to believe we will see new highs?
In the other hand, have you seen the Russell2000 or the Transport, and its historical charts?
Thanks, platy, my desire is no bother you.
A day’s wages for a loaf of bread. We’re not there yet.
Are you still confident that we stay above 1400 longer term, i know you were pretty confident that this level wouldnt get breached
I have a hard time giving it up Anthony.
darn it …………should read saturn 30year cycle ……sorry
LOL You give me too much credit GM…. I’m pretty new to all of this actually but eager to learn. Now you gave me another puzzle to solve. 🙂 Relates to 60-year Jupiter-Saturn cycle?
I am sure you know what this is ………..http://www.screencast.com/users/gannman/folders/Default/media/4e5d7324-8d3a-4365-9745-361fdab72253
you are welcome ………..i do know the endless hours of reserch….proving things over and over again till they all line up…………..identifying the cause …knowing the effect……….precision in…precision out………..in the end you are rewarded for the efforts you make ……….we all do our part ..GOD will do his ……….keep up the good work …………..longer term ……….the egg of columbus…sssshhhh…..2013-2016…The key has been given to you ……..Sincerely Thank you for all that you do ………….
I love the way you think GM
Egg of Columbus! I never could get that figured out. Are you thinking we just finished the champagne? and now cheese, crackers, nuts? Then 2013 to 2016 down to the hanging tongue? tia
“When the Spirit of Truth comes, he will guide you into all truth; for he will not speak on his own authority, but whatever he hears he will speak, and he will declare to you the things that are to come.” (John 16:12)
Thanks GM 🙂
sorry : the TOP IS IN 2012
Well, I may have been wrong about Jupiter-Ceres, but I still think 2013 is the top. It doesn’t mean I’m right about that. 🙂 There are some Biblical reasons why I am so firm on this but that is a whole other huge topic.
I see, platy and that demostarte your professionality, no doubt.
In consecuance, platy, I´m sorry because i´m new in this area, in this interesting knowledge, but the common sense tell me that:
1. Uranus -market Master- makes a signal on may12, near the top.
2. Jupiter-Mars makes- cycle from march12- a signal in ago12, in new highs.
3. Jupiter-Ceres, near the top, next days
4. Mars 2-5 oct12 new signal
5. Beast cycle next year may13
6. Jupiter mars next year ago13
7. Before, and after David´s Star, very dangerous, jul-sep13.
8. I forgot, the 2nd. Nov12 date
With all this signals, and my studies from many years ago about cycles -DOW JONES- and prospections before, for me the top is in 2013, i told you in my 17 years cycle.
Also, Cowan alert: he warns about 2013, Which meaning contains the sentence?!
Thanks a lot, platy, if is possible answer all this questions, i appreciate your courtesy, and sorry about my english.
1.Thanks for your answer, platy, my english is not good at all, I don´t understand in your reply if Cowan knows the top/ bottom of markets and if he studies the dates.
I bet he know only the dates.
2. I don´t want you to reveal Cowan´s dates, but months ago a read, i´not sure at all ,in your page that someone said Cowan failed in his forecast of may12 and said Cowan´s may 2012 turn would be a low (¿?) and high mid year 2013 high would come in july 2013.
3. Is possible, that, as discilple of him, your forecast can be influenced?
Thanks a lot, sorry if i.m impertinent, may be my english is not good enough to express all i want
No problem Apanalis, your English is great.
You are right, he knows only dates.
On his website he said that heliocentric Uranus 18° was responsible for the May 1 top as predicted in his book. The book listed May 15 for heliocentric Uranus and did not specify whether it would be a top or a bottom.
As I said, I do not use the dates in the book, I calculate them myself. So I calculated geocentric Uranus 18° to be April 5, and heliocentric Uranus 18° to be May 23. These predictions are here:
The geocentric date turned out to be 2 days from a major top, and the heliocentric was 2 days from a bottom.
I don’t want to make a big deal of this though, and I don’t really see it as a failure. Uranus is very slow moving and I think my method of calculation may be just a little better than the one he used.
Cowan does not make a prediction about whether anything in 2013 (or any other time) will be a low or a high. He just gives dates. There is an appendix where he goes further into possible directional changes but at the time I studied it, I found it inconclusive.
Certainly my forecasts can be influenced by the person I learned from, but the Uranus example should show that I am not overly influenced.
platy, i see that something of me disturb to you, i asked about Cowan predictions and you answered that i must buy a book that i didn´t know.
This is not very polite, isn´t it?
I read a while ago he was wrong in may and the only thing i wanted to ask you is if he can predict the tops and bottoms, or only the dates.
If i i´m annoying with my questions, tell me and no more questions, platy.
I¨m in markets a lot of yers and i study the cycles and your point of views are so interesting for me, but no problem if i´m an obstacle for you.
Sorry, I didn’t mean to offend you. I have explained small pieces of Cowan’s work on my blog but it is not my intention to replicate his book or reveal all his secrets. He his work is a masterpiece and he deserves to be compensated for it and not have people reveal everything on the web. So it is out of respect for Cowan that I don’t want to give out too much information.
Also I have long ago stopped using Cowan’s published dates because I have always believed in understanding the methods and applying them myself, because that is the only way to truly understand. So I don’t have a list of his upcoming dates and it would be a lot of work to find them because they are all throughout his book.
To answer the question about tops and bottoms, no he does not know which it will be ahead of time.
You are not at all annoying and you ask great questions. Please keep asking!
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Hello great site http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=18fifplEspM this link talks about left and right brain. Or the book Disconnected kids it all fits?
WOW !!! Very well worth the 1 hour listen. Explains to me a lot of my trading behavior. See the big picture, but trade impulsively, on the small picture. A lot of other stuff to think about. Thanks.
Do you know his predictions for this year and the next?
Buy the book 🙂
Hi Platy, I have followed cycles for a long time, seeing that something is happening and not knowing why. The only why I can figure is that heavenly bodies like the sun and moon and others impact the emotions of people in a generally similar way and cause buying or selling herd mentallity and therefore market swings, or war or other stuff. Have you ever thought of the why? Does this make sense? Why do you think this stuff works?
Criminologists have known for a long time that crime increases near a full moon.
Certain hard aspects between multiple planets are often responsible for major disasters. (I do some work on this on my blog.)
So if the Moon can affect our behavior, why not other planets? And maybe it helps us in a evolutionary sense to be sensitive to hard aspects (fearful).
It took a long time for me to get used to these ideas coming from a “scientific” background, but finally I have accepted that astrology is real.
I understand the “scientific” background. I have somewhat of that, chemistry, math, degree in accounting. P/E, ROI, P/L etc. do not have much price corralation. Sun, moon have more. That is hard to fit into a logical brain.
Hey, another who has a negative corralation to logic.
Check out the utube video posted by ricksbiz below. A lot to think about.
Never forget centsabletrader, “you have had a lot of help”. We were meant not to know what is real and what is a fairy tale.
Platy posts on her blog about Anthony Perat and his lab experiments with plasma mimicking rock art patterns that are found the world over. If you follow that bread crumb trail to Dave Talbott and Wal Thornhill at thunderbolts.com, the “Electric Universe” view of our cosmos will shed much needed light. An electrically neutral (gravity only) cosmology, implies an empty distance between isolated bodies devoid of life. This static cosmology is imposed by design as our view of the heavens colors our view of ourselves. Trot out the obligatory “as above so below” right here. ; )
If you are a world leader, whose power is borne from fear and engineered scarcity; a static and dead universe is the way to go as it informs a static and dead public.
Alas the facts based, not in $cience, but in true empirical study tell the story of a dynamic, intimate, communicative and resource rich cosmos. It is a lively inter-connective and abundant world to behold.
The litmus test used to be flat earth / round earth, then it was geocentric / heliocentric, then circular orbits / ellipses …
( http://www.robertbauval.co.uk/articles/articles/underthepopesnose.html )
Now the litmus test is blackholes and other fictions in an attempt to reconcile observed phenomena with the workings of an inherently weak force , gravity; versus the electro-magnetic reality which is simple in its explanation and repeatable in the laboratory. At least this inquisition is restricted to the destruction of careers only.
Enjoy the ride and be thankful you haven’t lost your mind; most have I reckon.
Thanks Swampyankeeee for bringing the electric universe into the discussion. There is so much more to be said about that!!!
To answer your question why you have to answer the question: What are we?
What are we made of? What stuff around you is made off? How do we function on the submolecular level, on the level of atoms/electrons etc…? The answer is – we all made of the same “matter” and we all function per the same principles – humans, rocks, flowers, air, planets, sun.
We are all one. And we all, on this level, obey the same laws. This has a lot of implications.
Very kind of you
I read some about him in your web, other persons wrote about his predictions, is yor analysis similar to him?
Yes I use his methods.
At the top of my website:
Using planetary harmonic cycles to determine stock market turn dates. This work is primarily based on Bradley Cowan’s book, “Pentagonal Time Cycle Theory”.
platy, do you know about Cowan signals for the markets?
What do you mean Apanalis?
Good article. Encouraging to see the pentagonal theory applied in this way. Thank you.
Thanks grndrnk, I have another non-financial pentagonal theory application I’ve been working on too. If this works it opens up a whole new dimension in understanding how our world works.
With your pemission, I´m expecting your conclusions, I´ve read somenthing about it, platy.
I bet this could be dangerous for markets. What good news in a geoploitical focus to Middle East, etc?
I ´d be in line wihh my scenario of new lows in nov12 and dec12 and so in 2013 an dalso the Road Map of Zig Zag.
Thanks everyone for your kind comments. 🙂
Yes, I echo that, that is really interesting, although I do take “astro” talk with a grain of salt since I just don’t know enough about it.
excellent job platy…..outstanding……keep up the good work…..Thanks a Million…GOD BLESS
platy, could you wrie al the dates for the year, as before in your blog, if it´s possible, for the Nasdaq.
I’ll add November details soon.
The really important dates for 2013 are:
5/21/13: Beast Cycle
8/17/13: Jupiter-Mars Conj 72°
That´s right, platy, you know, these are dates for a possible bottom in my 17 years cycle scenario
I’m sticking with my outlook that they are both major tops. 🙂
Great article Platy. Thanks for sharing. A real eye opener
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